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造出"全球第一个 AI 软件工程师"的人,在想什么?| Cognition 创始人、Devin 之父 Scott Wu访谈

造出"全球第一个 AI 软件工程师"的人,在想什么?| Cognition 创始人、Devin 之父 Scott Wu访谈

整理自 Cognition 创始人、Devin 之父 Scott Wu 的一期播客访谈(对谈 Founders 主播 David Senra)。这家公司据称用约 20 个月,把收入从百万级做到了数亿美元。

先看 5 条核心洞察:

  • Devin 的终局不是"写代码的工具",而是"人机接口"本身。 编程的本质,从打孔卡到 Python,始终只是"告诉计算机你想要什么"。
  • 软件的经济学要被改写。 今天一个软件要被用上百万次才值得开发;未来 AI 会为"只用一次"的任务现写现弃地造软件。
  • 看懂指数曲线,是当下最稀缺的能力。 AI 能自主完成的任务时长每几个月翻一倍——从 10 秒,到几小时,再到几天、几周。
  • 未来的"工作",是给 agent 派使命。 人类从"生存模式"切到"创造模式",剩下要操心的只有一件事:你到底想做什么。
  • 创业靠"插旗",不靠资源。 后发者唯一的赢法,是押注一个反共识的未来,然后玩命跑。

下面逐条展开。

一、我们不会再跟代码打交道太久了

Scott 反复纠正:别把 Devin 叫"编程工具"。从插真空管、打孔卡、写汇编,到今天的 Python,抽象层级一路往上爬——而编程从头到尾,只是人类"告诉计算机做什么"的方式。所以 Devin 真正要占的位置,是人和计算机之间的那层接口。代码,只是此刻恰好的中间产物。

二、"只用一次"的软件

今天要做软件,你得养一支昂贵的工程师团队,于是这东西必须被用够多次(百万量级)才回本——YouTube 划算,是因为用它的人远多于造它的人。但大量白领工作(翻 15 个 LinkedIn 主页、填表、拼一张 Excel 分析)其实都能用软件解决,只是"为用一次的东西雇个团队"太不划算。当 agent 能在后台现写现弃地造软件,这条经济账就彻底反转。

三、人脑算不清指数

Scott 的判断全部押在一条曲线上:METR 的研究显示,AI 能不被打断、自主完成的任务时长正在持续翻倍,如今已是"小时"级。用第一性原理往下推——既然是小时,凭什么不能是几天、几周、几个月?人类天生算不清指数(一次好的狩猎只够吃几天,而不是一千年),所以总是低估变化的速度。他赌 5 年内大部分都会实现——"AI 里的 5 年,等于外面的一个世纪"。

四、从生存模式到创造模式

他合伙人有句话他很喜欢:人类作为物种一直活在"生存模式",接下来要进"创造模式"(就像 Minecraft 那个比喻)。随着 agent 能干的活变长——几秒是一条指令,几小时是一个任务,几年就是一项使命。他举了拍立得创始人 Edwin Land 的例子:让一个研究员花两年只想一个问题,最后搞定了即时彩色摄影。未来的"工作",或许就是带着好奇与热爱,把 agent 派去执行你真正在乎的使命。

五、"插旗",然后玩命跑

Cognition 其实是后发者——2024 年初才起步,比 OpenAI、GitHub Copilot 晚了好几年。Scott 说,初创公司"没有任何赢的理由":没资源、没品牌、没人。唯一能反杀的方式,是把旗插在一个你坚信的未来上,然后玩命冲。他们插的旗是:把 AI 当"同事",而不是聊天机器人或自动补全。Devin 第一版在 SWE-bench 上只拿了 13%(虽然当时业界最好也才 3–4%),意味着 87% 会失败,上线后骂声一片,他们没回头。

支撑这一切的,是一种近乎偏执的好胜心,以及他用来收尾的一句话——

"你只有一条命,去吧。"

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  6. SELECT * FROM `set` [ RunTime:0.000325s ]
  7. SHOW FULL COLUMNS FROM `article` [ RunTime:0.000611s ]
  8. SELECT * FROM `article` WHERE `id` = 820037 LIMIT 1 [ RunTime:0.001289s ]
  9. UPDATE `article` SET `lasttime` = 1782851564 WHERE `id` = 820037 [ RunTime:0.002356s ]
  10. SELECT * FROM `fenlei` WHERE `id` = 64 LIMIT 1 [ RunTime:0.000288s ]
  11. SELECT * FROM `article` WHERE `id` < 820037 ORDER BY `id` DESC LIMIT 1 [ RunTime:0.000545s ]
  12. SELECT * FROM `article` WHERE `id` > 820037 ORDER BY `id` ASC LIMIT 1 [ RunTime:0.000439s ]
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  14. SELECT * FROM `article` WHERE `id` < 820037 ORDER BY `id` DESC LIMIT 10,10 [ RunTime:0.000975s ]
  15. SELECT * FROM `article` WHERE `id` < 820037 ORDER BY `id` DESC LIMIT 20,10 [ RunTime:0.001416s ]
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