双语稿丨谷爱凌这40分钟SMU专访,把AI、虎妈和个人成长全聊透了!(附双语视频)

It is my great pleasure to spend the next 40 minutes or so on stage with the most sought after guests that I think we've ever had in this hall. A warm welcome again and thank you for choosing to spend time here at SMU. I know you have many many engagements and we're delighted, more than delighted, that you've chosen to spend the time with us. Thank you.

我非常高兴能在接下来的40分钟左右与我认为我们这个大厅里请到过的最受欢迎的嘉宾同台。再次热烈欢迎，感谢你选择在新加坡管理大学度过时光。我知道你有很多很多活动，我们很高兴，不止是高兴，你选择了与我们共度时光。谢谢。

I believe that this is not your first time in Singapore, but you were perhaps a little bit younger when you were first here. And I know that the audience here would love to hear from you. So perhaps I could invite you to say something, say a few words to the audience before we begin.

我相信这不是你第一次来新加坡，但你第一次来这里时也许更年轻一些。我知道这里的观众很想听你说。所以也许我可以邀请你说点什么，在我们开始之前对观众说几句话。

Thank you so much for the kind words Professor Kong and thank you so much for having me. It's such a joy to be always in an academic institution. Like you said in your opening remarks, I think that schools are such a microcosm for human flourishing and it really is a place where our highest values are realized and we have the opportunity and the options to become who we want to be to explore the places that we want to learn and the directions we want to expand.

非常感谢你的美言，孔教授，非常感谢你邀请我。总是在学术机构里是一种快乐。正如你在开场白中所说，我认为学校是人类繁荣的缩影，它真的是我们最高价值被实现的地方，我们有机会和选择成为我们想成为的人，探索我们想学习的地方和我們想扩展的方向。

So I always love speaking at schools and SMU in particular with its value on entrepreneurship and being so future looking. I think particularly appeals to me. Singapore at large is such a future looking place and so far in my short stay here this time, it has been nothing short of incredible. I look forward to exploring many more times in the future and I'm really looking forward to our conversation today.

所以我一直喜欢在学校演讲，特别是SMU，它重视创业精神并且如此面向未来。我想这特别吸引我。新加坡整体就是这样一个面向未来的地方，到目前为止在我这次短暂的逗留中，它简直令人难以置信。我期待未来探索更多次，我真的期待我们今天的对话。

That's wonderful. You know there is so much ground we can cover before the event we invited the audience to submit some questions and thoughts they may have and I will say that we were inundated. There were many many interesting and interesting questions and interested members of the audience so I'll do what I can to capture some of it and apologies to those of you whose questions may not be asked today.

那太好了。你知道在活动之前我们邀请观众提交一些问题和你可能有的想法，我得说我们被淹没了。有很多很多有趣的问题和感兴趣的观众，所以我会尽我所能捕捉一些，向那些今天问题可能不会被问到的人道歉。

I thought we might structure the conversation by beginning with perhaps more macro questions and then I know that there is a lot of interest in you as an individual so I hope you won't mind that we will progress the conversation towards perhaps more personal dimensions. You know the university as I said in my opening remarks is an institution that cares about human potential that really spends the time trying to bring the best out of each individual.

我想我们也许可以这样构建对话，从更宏观的问题开始，然后我知道人们对作为个体的你很感兴趣，所以我希望你不介意我们将对话推向更个人的维度。你知道，正如我在开场白中所说，大学是一个关心人类潜能的机构，真正花时间试图把每个人的最好一面带出来。

I think it's fair to say that as an individual you have really epitomized what the flourishing of human potential means and you've done that in so many different dimensions just to mention sport which we all know about. I watched the videos of you on the ski slopes and that's just so amazing but you've also excelled in so many other dimensions including in university.

我认为可以公平地说，作为个体，你真的体现了人类潜能繁荣意味着什么，而且你在这么多不同维度做到了，只提我们大家都知道体育。我看了你在滑雪坡上的视频，那太惊人了，但你也在这么多其他维度表现出色，包括在大学。

In sport we know what it means to train oneself, to push oneself physically but you've also talked about the possibility of training the mind and you talked about neuroplasticity and how we can better ourselves. Perhaps you could speak to this question because I know there's a lot of interest in the audience on this. What does that training of the mind stretching our neuroplasticity look like in everyday life for any individual out here?

在体育中我们知道训练自己、在身体上推动自己意味着什么，但你也谈过训练心智的可能性，你谈过神经可塑性和我们如何改善自己。也许你可以谈谈这个问题，因为我知道观众对此很感兴趣。那种心智的训练，拉伸我们的神经可塑性，对这里的任何个体来说在日常生活中是什么样？

Wow starting easy huh? Sure I mean I think that look I'm no expert I think for me personally it just comes to observation so I try to be humble when it comes to my own mind and I don't pretend that I know all the answers because I don't and because I'm 23 and because I'm learning and pretty much everything that I'm doing is the first time that I'm experiencing it right.

哇一开始就容易啊？当然，我是说，我认为，看，我不是专家，我认为对我个人来说，它只是观察，所以我试图对我的头脑保持谦逊，我不假装我知道所有答案，因为我不知道，因为我23岁，因为我在学习，几乎我在做的一切都是我第一次经历，对吧。

By definition to progress in the sport of free skiing is to ask your body to do something that it's never done before ever. Every new trick that I learn I'm breaking a physical, mental, emotional boundary that had been set for me before or it's breaking new ground every time and so conceptually I think that familiarizing yourself with discomfort and also knowing that almost every boundary is somewhat plastic so that there always is potential to expand that there always is potential to grow and change and so that just comes back to self-observation so how do I feel in a given moment? What does fear feel like? What does doubt feel like? What do nerves feel like? How are those three things different? What is pressure? What do I care about? What are the things that can affect me? What is the direction I want to move in?

从定义上讲，在自由滑雪运动中进步就是要求你的身体做它以前从未做过的事情。我学的每一个新技巧都在打破以前为我设定的身体、心理、情感边界，或者每次都在开辟新天地。所以从概念上讲，我认为让自己熟悉不适，也知道几乎每个边界都有某种可塑性，所以总是有扩展的潜力，总是有成长和改变的潜力，所以这回到自我观察，我在某个特定时刻感觉如何？恐惧感觉像什么？怀疑感觉像什么？紧张感觉像什么？这三者如何不同？压力是什么？我在乎什么？能影响我的事情是什么？我想移动的方向是什么？

And I think those are all kind of you know as with the scientific method it's all just experimentation and it's figuring out who I am what are the things I care about and then what is the direction I want to move in and so to be neuroplastic I think is to be the master of your fate and so far as knowing that I can observe myself and that I can control the direction of my growth.

我认为所有这些都是，你知道，如同科学方法，它都只是实验，是弄清楚我是谁、我在乎的事情是什么、然后我想移动的方向是什么，所以具有神经可塑性，我认为就是成为你命运的主人，就我知道我可以观察自己，我可以控制我成长的方向而言。

That's amazing because very often I think for young people and not so young people sometimes we are carried by the trajectories, we are carried by the pathways that have been established and to be very intentional and conscious about asking ourselves who we are, what we want to do takes something of the individual.

那太棒了，因为很多时候我认为对年轻人和不那么年轻的人来说，有时我们被轨迹携带，我们被已经建立的路径携带，而非常有意和自觉地问我们自己我们是谁、我们想做什么，需要个体的某些东西。

There is no conversation today without two letters of the alphabet and yes I'm talking about AI. When you think about that intentionality that cultivation of self and you think about what's available through AI where what we do is type a question, send the prompt and the answers come back. Is there a danger that that is doing something to our neuroplasticity? Is there a danger that that is sort of reshaping our ability to think for ourselves and to forge our paths? I wonder what you think about that.

今天的对话没有两个字母就不行，是的，我在说AI。当你想到那种意向性、那种自我的培养，你想到通过AI可获得的东西，我们所做的就是打一个问题、发送提示，答案就回来了。有危险它在对我们的神经可塑性做些什么吗？有危险它在某种程度上重塑我们为自己思考和开辟道路的能力吗？我想知道你对此怎么看。

I'm going to go ahead and take the opportunity that we are in a university to be my truest nerdiest self today so I hope you guys will forgive me for that. So I trust that people are probably familiar with the Descartes aphorism of Cogito Ergo Sum like I think therefore I am but the kind of phrase that comes before that is I doubt therefore I think and I think therefore I am and I think there's something really prescient about that.

我要抓住我们在大学里的这个机会，今天做我最真实、最书呆子的自己，所以我希望你们会原谅我。我相信人们可能熟悉笛卡尔的名言"我思故我在"，但在此之前的那句话是"我怀疑故我思考，我思考故我在"，我认为这有一些真正有先见之明的东西。

In order to I guess to your point about prompting AI you have to make a judgment decision at any point and so in order to write a good prompt or to make a good decision from the information that you gather from the prompt or to direct an agent you have to have the ability to start from doubt and to start from self-informed thinking and so if anything I think learning to work or learning to produce through the form of asking questions is actually encouraging human agency because that is the Socratic method that is the scientific method that is kind of what we think about as human learning is it not to ask a question to think about how to structure a question what is first principles thinking to kind of go back and see what matters and then move from there and then also to kind of make informed decisions and what you do from there.

为了，我想对你的关于提示AI的点，你必须在任何点做一个判断决定，所以为了写一个好的提示或从你从提示中收集的信息做一个好的决定或指导一个代理，你必须有能力从怀疑开始，从自我知情的思考开始，所以如果有的话，我认为学习通过提问的形式工作或生产实际上是在鼓励人类能动性，因为那是苏格拉底方法，那是科学方法，那就是我们思考的人类学习，难道不是问一个问题、思考如何构建一个问题、什么是第一性原理思考、回去看看什么重要、然后从那里移动，然后也做出知情的决定以及你从那里做什么。

So I guess I'm kind of cautious about the whole like delegating your life to AI premise just because to use kind of like a metaphor in skiing I guess we recently have a new technology called an airbag which is like a giant bouncy castle so it's like this if you imagine it's like a ski slope but the landing is like literally plastic material and they spray water on it and you jump off of this like plastic ramp you fly in the air you do a trick you land and it's plastic and you slide okay initially people were like this is crazy this is not even skiing and then you realize that because this is much safer as a technology suddenly people are doing much bigger tricks and the sport is progressing so much more rapidly and people are kind of doing things that they never thought would have been possible.

所以我猜我对整个把你的生活委托给AI的前提有点谨慎，只是因为用滑雪中的一个比喻，我想我们最近有一个新技术叫做气囊，就像一个巨大的充气城堡，所以就像这样，如果你想象它像一个滑雪坡，但着陆点字面上是塑料材料，他们在上面喷水，你从这个塑料坡道跳下，你在空中飞，你做一个技巧，你着陆，它是塑料的，你滑行，好的，一开始人们像这太疯狂了这甚至不是滑雪，然后你意识到因为这是一个更安全的技术，突然人们在做更大的技巧，这项运动进步得快得多，人们在做他们从未想过可能的事情。

And what ended up happening is not that we reached some kind of capped human potential and we were like taken over instead it was that the women in sport started really really progressing and the kind of level all over started rising and we had the freedom to explore tricks that had never been possible before new axes we could try things and work with human physics in ways that we never thought was possible.

最终发生的不是我们达到了某种上限的人类潜能，我们像被接管了，相反，是体育中的女性开始真正真正进步，整体的水平开始上升，我们有自由探索以前从未可能的技巧、新的轴，我们可以尝试东西，以我们从未想过可能的方式与人类物理合作。

So I think that it is the human condition to be curious and I think it is the human condition to progress and improve and I think that the methodology of asking questions to do that is fundamentally a positive one indeed. So you know I have had colleagues who have rejected AI saying we've taught the Socratic method for centuries and why are we you know dropping that but I think your response suggests to us that actually with the use of AI you can actually strengthen hone that questioning ability in today's language it would be writing better prompts.

所以我认为好奇是人类的条件，我认为进步和改善是人类的条件，我认为做那个的提问方法根本上是积极的。所以你知道我有同事拒绝AI说我们教了苏格拉底方法几个世纪，为什么我们要，你知道，放弃那个，但我认为你的回应向我们表明实际上有了AI的使用，你实际上可以加强磨练那种提问能力，在今天的话就是写更好的提示。

I wanted to nevertheless pursue this line of conversation around neuroplasticity a little bit more and then I'd really like to come back to technology and sport which is a good segue from your comments a moment ago you talked about training your own mind very deliberately and you do that through things like journaling you know reframing fear visualization and so forth do you see a time when that can be delegated to a machine for example.

我仍然想围绕神经可塑性再追求这条对话线一点，然后我真的想回到技术和体育，这是从你刚才的评论的一个好的过渡，你谈到非常刻意地训练你自己的心智，你通过像写日记、你知道重构恐惧、可视化等等做那个，你看到有一个时候那可以被委托给机器吗，例如。

I think the frameworks maybe I think that there are ways that you can optimize and that you can maybe get more data that you can be better informed fundamentally the work of getting to know oneself will always remain your own and the choice to become the person you want to be has to be yours and I think in any other way it would be contrived and corrupted.

我认为框架也许，我认为有方法你可以优化，你可以也许得到更多数据，你可以更好地知情，根本上认识自己的工作是永远属于你自己的，成为你想成为的人的选择必须是你的，我认为以任何其他方式它将是做作的和被腐化的。

And so in some ways yes like maybe if you want to be directed in a certain way you can kind of find ways to structure actions that help lead to an outcome of your choosing but I think at a large scale I don't think that that is something that can be replaced you know and and that I think suggests you know if we can't replace certain things and I think I very much agree with you on that it also means that the struggle that we go through in learning where we kind of get frustrated sometimes because we're not getting it just as as it is and so forth that struggle is what helps us to learn I think and that's true whether in sport or in the classroom and so forth is there a danger of us losing that struggle because things become too easy with AI.

所以以某些方式是的，像也许如果你想以某种方式被指导，你可以找到方法构建行动，帮助导致你选择的结果，但我认为在大规模上，我不认为那是可以被取代的东西，你知道，而且我认为那表明你知道如果我们不能取代某些东西，我非常同意你那个，它也意味着我们在学习中经历的挣扎，我们有时有点沮丧因为我们没有像它本来那样得到它等等，那个挣扎是帮助我们的东西学习，我认为，那在体育或教室等都是真的，有危险我们失去那个挣扎因为事情变得太容易有了AI。

I think not um I think that as the pace picks up I think it's more of a question of pace as opposed to kind of replacement if that makes sense so it's like if we have this tool that enables us to be higher efficiency or or more capable it means we're able to do more things if anything I feel like the struggle would probably increase in that situation.

我认为不会，我认为随着节奏加快，我认为这更多是一个节奏的问题，而不是取代的问题，如果那说得通，所以就像如果我们有这个工具使我们能够更高效率或更有能力，它意味着我们能够做更多事情，如果有的话我觉得挣扎在那情况下可能会增加。

A lot of people asked me so I graduated or I walked to graduation this year in June for Stanford and then after graduation everyone was like wow you must have so much free time now that you're you know out of school and I find myself busier than ever I find that I my time is more consumed than ever I am more applied than ever and so it the concept of like the hedonic treadmill where we adapt to our circumstances be it through joy or be it through work or through a kind of like a temporal reckoning sense through all of that we adapt really quickly like much quicker than I think people expect so as far as like getting used to that pace I think it's more of like a relative um like calibration and and less of a like do all or nothing and then I'm replaced and I have nothing to do I think people will get used to it quickly and then move even faster than before.

很多人问我，所以我今年六月为斯坦福毕业或走过毕业典礼，然后毕业后每个人都像哇你现在一定有很多空闲时间因为你，你知道，离开学校了，我发现自己比以往更忙，我发现我的时间比以往更被消耗，我比以往更投入，所以像享乐跑步机的概念，我们适应我们的环境，无论是通过快乐还是通过工作或通过某种时间清算感，通过所有那些我们适应得非常快，比我认为人们期望的快得多，所以就习惯那个节奏而言，我认为它更多是一种相对的校准，而不是一种全有或全无然后我被取代然后我无事可做，我认为人们会很快习惯它然后比以前移动得更快。

Wonderful I'd like to pick up on the thread of your comments earlier about sport and technology and we know that sport is not shown of technology you've given us examples there's also the use of data analytics to improve performance and so forth right um where do you think we draw the line between technology and human potential um what should remain a test of the athlete rather than the technology?

太好了，我想接上你之前关于体育和技术的评论线，我们知道体育不是没有技术，你给了我们例子，还有使用数据分析来改善表现等等，对吧，你认为我们在哪里画技术和人类潜能之间的线，什么应该保持为运动员的测试而不是技术的？

I think split second judgment decisions I think intuition around fear um like to push or not to push in a certain given moment they're pretty much I think in the sport of free skiing because everything is so like the margins are so narrow between absolute success and massive failure that that judgment decision is absolutely critical.

我认为瞬间判断决定，我认为围绕恐惧的直觉，像在某个特定时刻推或不推，它们几乎，我认为在自由滑雪运动中，因为一切如此，绝对成功和巨大失败之间的边缘如此狭窄，那个判断决定绝对关键。

I can be at the top of a run and be just feeling slightly off and every single data analytic could be telling me go you slept great last night your heart rate looks good we think your HRV looks fantastic like you're ready to go and at the end of the day if I don't believe if my subconscious is not bought in the trick is not happening and that's a self-reinforcing cycle like if I don't believe it'll happen there is so much of skiing that I think embodies this like you will it into reality like it only happens because you believe it and if you don't believe it it cannot happen.

我可以在一次滑行的顶部，只是感觉有点不对，每一个数据分析都可能告诉我，去吧，你昨晚睡得很好，你的心率看起来很好，我们认为你的HRV看起来很棒，像你准备好去了，但在一天结束时如果我不相信，如果我的潜意识没有买账，技巧不会发生，那是一个自我强化的循环，像如果我不相信它会发生，滑雪中有那么多我认为体现了这个，像你把它意志成现实，像它只发生因为你相信它，如果你不相信它它不能发生。

And so that element I think is fundamentally irreplaceable so it's like this gut feeling it's intuition and more than anything I think it's like familiarity and intimacy with the self and you know that's a great answer because I think it extends beyond sport as well in all that we do in life sometimes the necessity to make that decision in a split second that's going to just make that difference that believe in yourself that's just going to make it happen where the data tells you it's not.

所以那个元素我认为根本上是不可替代的，所以就像这种直觉，它是直觉，比任何东西都更是像与自我的熟悉和亲密，你知道那是一个很好的答案，因为我认为它也延伸到体育之外，在我们生活中所做的一切中，有时需要在一瞬间做出那个决定，那将只是做出那个差异，那个相信你自己，那将只是使它发生，而数据告诉你不是。

Um so these are things I believe extend beyond the ski slopes into merit dimensions of our lives and so to that extent I think what Eileen has done is actually to answer a question from one of our students Yenron who is doing her DBA in technology and she had asked the question what do you think AI will never be able to replace about elite human performance and I think your response earlier speaks to that there is another question from a colleague Christina Chi who asks what technology or innovation has had the biggest impact on your training and performance and how do you think athletes of the future will train differently.

所以这些是我相信延伸到滑雪坡之外进入我们生活的许多维度的事情，所以在这个程度上我认为Eileen所做的实际上是回答了我们一个学生Yenron的问题，她正在做技术DBA，她问了一个问题，你认为AI永远不能取代精英人类表现的什么，我认为你早些时候的回应说明了那个，还有来自同事Christina Chi的另一个问题，她问什么技术或创新对你的训练和表现有最大的影响，以及你认为未来的运动员将如何不同地训练。

Hmm besides airbags which I mentioned earlier honestly video review is the biggest thing like being able to watch yourself in slow motion really captures um a lot of this kind of like micro neuromuscular movement um that that you otherwise wouldn't be able to feel and then also a lot of the time how you feel is different than what is true and so kind of like bridging that gap from like an objective perspective through video review is enormously helpful.

嗯，除了我之前提到的气囊，诚实地说视频回放是最大的东西，像能够以慢动作看你自己真正捕捉到很多这种微神经肌肉运动，你否则无法感觉到的，然后很多时候你的感觉与真实不同，所以像通过视频回放从客观角度弥合那个差距是极其有帮助的。

I would imagine that there's going to be a lot more like force analytic data in the future so like force generation asymmetry um kind of as far as like technical ability goes right now there's not a whole lot of that but I'm also not really yearning for it I feel like there's something kind of fun and just figuring it out and so I'm relishing in the puzzle of all that is and also it's kind of fun about being at the cutting edge of a sport is like every time you do something new sometimes it's the first time that anyone ever has done something and and so there's something really exciting about that and feeling like you're you know figuring it out as you go.

我会想象未来会有更多像力量分析数据，像力量产生不对称，就技术能力而言现在没有很多那个，但我也不真的渴望它，我觉得有某种有趣的东西只是弄清楚它，所以我在享受所有这一切的谜题，而且在运动前沿也有某种有趣的东西，像每次你做新东西有时是任何人曾经做过的第一次，所以有某种真正令人兴奋的东西，感觉像你知道你边走边弄清楚。

That's wonderful um you know we started the conversation with human potential and and um that does rely on um talent realized realizing once human potential is about realizing one's talent I wanted to begin a conversation thread around whether you thought talent is innate or whether that's cultivated and developed and the relative balance of that.

太好了，你知道我们以人类潜能开始了对话，那确实依赖于天赋，实现人类潜能是实现一个人的天赋，我想开始一条对话线，关于你认为天赋是天生的还是被培养和发展的，以及那个的相对平衡。

I'm going to say that talent stands a very very very small portion particularly the older you get just because like the number of decisions that you make compounds exponentially over time and so maybe when you're three years old the talent you know you can see that difference a lot more than when you're 30 um I don't know I'm not there yet but I'll report back um but the the kind of idea that I think between talent and and hard work is that if you tell yourself that you have a ceiling or you tell yourself that you have a floor just be careful with the kind of premises that you believe and I think what's more important about the empirical reality of either those of those things is how it informs your decisions going forward because we are all just a collection of all the decisions we've ever made.

我要说天赋占非常非常非常小的一部分，特别是你越老，只是因为像你做的决定数量随时间指数级复合，所以也许当你三岁时天赋，你知道你可以比30岁时更看到那个差异，嗯我不知道我还没到那里但我会报告回来，嗯但我认为天赋和努力工作之间的想法是如果你告诉你自己你有一个天花板或你告诉你自己你有一个地板，只是小心你相信的那种前提，我认为关于那些东西中任何一个的经验现实更重要的是它如何告知你前进的决定，因为我们都是我们曾经做过的所有决定的集合。

And so if we make those decisions with an assumption that fundamentally limits us then that is more detrimental than any lack of talent could ever be um and so maybe this is kind of the the set of cards that I've been dealt but if I spend the whole time looking at my hand and I never play them then it doesn't matter what I'm holding what matters is that you take a step and and once stuff leads to two and as long as you keep moving and keeping better than who you were yesterday then it's not really a question of what hands you had to begin with it's it's about where you end up and who you end up becoming.

所以如果我们以根本上限制我们的假设做那些决定，那么那比任何缺乏天赋都更有害，所以也许这是我被发的牌，但如果我花全部时间看我的手我从不打它们，那么我拿着什么不重要，重要的是你迈出一步，一步导致二，只要你继续移动并比昨天的自己更好，那么它真的不是你一开始有什么牌的问题，它是关于你最终在哪里以及你最终成为谁。

And in that journey to you know whatever end point it is that one identifies for oneself it requires that we have building conditions it requires that we have environments supportive people and so forth and so I have a question here um from Cheryl Lee who's an SMU alum from 2011 and she was curious to know how much of your excellence has been shaped by your mother in particular and the environment she created and how that helped develop your intrinsic drive or perhaps the intrinsic drive was there um to start off.

在那个旅程中，你知道无论一个人为自己识别什么终点，它需要我们有所需条件，它需要我们有所需环境支持的人等等，所以我这里有一个问题，来自Cheryl Lee，她是2011年的SMU校友，她好奇你的卓越有多少特别由你的母亲和她创造的环境塑造，以及那如何帮助发展你的内在驱动力，或者也许内在驱动力一开始就在那里。

Yeah so my mom's the best for sure like let's just get that off the table um that's like no question so she's here she looks great she's in the front everyone tell her she looks pretty um she's um so yeah absolutely I think that so so she would always say that up until I was 13 I was her job and then after I turned 13 I was the job of the world and and that just means that like beyond a certain point you are more created by your peer group by your environment by the people who you look up to um by by the media you consume by the beliefs that you hold versus your home and family life directly.

是的，我妈妈绝对是最好的，就像让我们把这个放桌面上，那像毫无疑问，所以她在这里，她看起来很棒，她在前面，大家告诉她她看起来很漂亮，嗯她嗯所以是的绝对，我认为所以，所以她总是说直到我13岁我是她的工作，然后我13岁后我是世界的工作，那只是意味着像超过某个点你更多由你的同伴群体、由你的环境、由你仰望的人、由你消费的媒体、由你持有的信念创造，而不是你的家庭和家庭生活直接。

Um but I've been really lucky in so far that I've had this very unique partnership through the course of my life that has constantly evolved and we always have had kind of different roles so like obviously when I was three she was my mom so she was taking me to the playground and I think she really optimized for play and she optimized for optionality so she put me into everything like I'm literally talking about everything like ballet piano archery because I had an archery phase because I was really into dystopian novels and I thought that this was gonna be like a skill that I was really gonna need so archery basketball soccer cross country skiing I did math camp I did science camp I did singing lessons against my will there were lots of things right.

嗯但我一直非常幸运，到目前为止，我拥有这个非常独特的伙伴关系在我的生命过程中不断演变，我们总是有不同角色，所以像显然当我三岁时她是我妈妈，所以她带我去操场，我认为她真的为玩耍优化，她为可选性优化，所以她把我放进一切，像我真的在谈论一切，像芭蕾钢琴射箭，因为我有一个射箭阶段因为我非常喜欢反乌托邦小说，我认为这将是我真的会需要的一种技能，所以射箭篮球足球越野滑雪我做了数学营我做了科学营我在违背我意愿的情况下做了唱歌课，有很多东西，对吧。

And so the point being that when I was younger she really gave me the full spread so that when I was older and when I knew myself better and when I was responsible to make those decisions I could make an informed one having tried all the options so when I was young she gave me the choices and then when I was a little bit older she gave me the freedom to make the choice and I think that responsibility that she she really entrusted me with from a somewhat young age I think that was critical and really fundamental.

所以重点是我年轻时她真的给了我全部的范围，这样当我更老时，当我知道自己更好时，当我有责任做那些决定时，我可以在尝试了所有选项后做一个知情的决定，所以当我年轻时她给了我选择，然后当我稍大一点她给了我做出选择的自由，我认为那个责任，她真的从一个有点年轻的年龄委托给我，我认为那是关键的，真正根本的。

A lot of people make the incorrect assumption that she's a tiger mom and I think the tiger mom definition is that you know it's like a helicopter parent that pilots you and like forces you to do various things she was in many ways the opposite of that where she just vigorously provided me with freedom in agency and like enforced my freedom really intensely and that was like the effect of her tiger mom so so that was kind of like the parenting thesis and then as I got older I keep calling us co-founders because I really think that's like the best way to encapsulate our partnership we travel together every day we live together we work together we develop together we change together we evolve.

很多人做出不正确的假设，她是虎妈，我认为虎妈的定义是，你知道，它像一个直升机父母，驾驶你并迫使你做各种事情，她在很多方面是相反的，她只是大力提供我自由和能动性，像非常强烈地执行我的自由，那就像她的虎妈的效果，所以那就像育儿论点，然后随着我长大我一直叫我们联合创始人，因为我真的认为那是最好的方式来概括我们的伙伴关系，我们每天一起旅行，我们一起生活，我们一起工作，我们一起发展，我们一起改变，我们一起进化。

And she is she's a science background so neither of us really knows how to you know it's my first time living she hasn't worked in these industries before and so we're both just figuring it out day by day we come in with unique perspectives and most importantly a respect for one another we have dialogue that is respectful that is critical that is conducive that is productive and oftentimes we will start from kind of two different points where we disagree and then we will debate debate debate converge debate debate and then end up on opposite ends.

而她是一个科学背景，所以我们都不真的知道如何，你知道，这是我第一次生活，她以前没有在这些行业工作过，所以我们都只是日复一日地弄清楚，我们带着独特的视角进来，最重要的是对彼此的尊重，我们有尊重的、批判性的、有益的、富有成效的对话，很多时候我们会从我们不同意的两个不同点开始，然后我们会辩论辩论辩论收敛辩论辩论然后最终在相反的两端。

So like I will have the opinion that she started with and then she'll have the opinion that I started with and then we will have to repeat the process where we debate debate debate and go back to our original premises so I think if anything that just illustrates that she really gave me the freedom to find out who I am and to really support me and to guide me in ways that makes sense and at the same time to to grow beside me she's also living for the first time she is a unique person who is more than just the role of mom.

所以像我会拥有她开始时的意见，然后她会拥有我开始时的意见，然后我们将不得不重复那个过程，我们辩论辩论辩论并回到我们最初的前提，所以我认为如果有的话那只是说明她真的给了我自由去发现我是谁，并真正支持我，以有意义的方式指导我，同时在旁边成长，她也是第一次生活，她是一个独特的人，不仅仅只是妈妈的角色。

And so to kind of grow with her as we both come into adulthood or I guess as I am in adulthood and she continues in adulthood but kind of like growing together and there's something really exciting and really fun about that and to do it with my mom who's someone who I'm you know trust entirely who's known me my whole life who wants nothing but the best for me I think that's a unique privilege that I'm really grateful to have.

所以有点与她一起成长，当我们都进入成年，或者我猜当我在成年而她继续在成年，但有点像一起成长，有某种真正令人兴奋和真正有趣的东西，并且与我的妈妈做它，她是我，你知道，完全信任的人，认识我一生的人，只想要最好的给我的人，我认为那是一个独特的特权，我真的很感激拥有。

I want to say um yes please I just want to say how amazing a mother you have and madam goo I want to say how amazing a daughter you have um you know not not everybody finds themselves in such circumstances where there is a supportive parent who is able willing to give the time the care or a coach of access to facilities which means that if somebody has the potential but doesn't have the building conditions it can be very difficult for the individual to find himself or herself what advice or what insights might you share with individuals who find themselves in these situations and how might you encourage them.

我想说，嗯，请，我只想说你有多了不起的母亲，而顾女士我想说你有多了不起的女儿，嗯你知道不是每个人都发现自己处在这样的环境中，有一个支持的父母能够愿意给时间、关怀或教练、进入设施的机会，这意味如果有人有潜力但没有所需条件，个体可能很难找到自己，你可能与发现自己在这种情况中的人分享什么建议或什么见解，你如何鼓励他们。

Sure um I'm not good at skiing because I'm good at doing double quarks I'm good at skiing because I know how to learn and because I'm resilient in the face of failure and because in moments of doubt I know which threads to pull on and how to manipulate my own intuition to guide me in the direction that I want to go my point is that skills are transferable so many of us will often find ourselves in situations where it's our first time doing something and it is not the hard skill that is necessarily the one that defines us it's the ability and our intrinsic qualities and values and skill set that we bring into the situation that allows us to adapt and shape a situation to our will.

当然，嗯我不擅长滑雪因为我擅长做双周跳，我擅长滑雪因为我知道如何学习，因为我在失败面前有韧性，因为在怀疑的时刻我知道该拉哪些线，以及如何操纵我自己的直觉来引导我朝我想去的方向，我的点是技能是可转移的，所以我们很多人会经常发现自己在某个情况中这是我们第一次做某事，不是硬技能一定是定义我们的那个，它是能力和我们带入情况的内在品质、价值观和技能集，允许我们适应和按照我们的意志塑造情况。

And so I think what's important to remember is like going into it you know I've never done this sport before or I've never raised my hand in class before or I've you know never sat next to this person at lunch before yeah but have you talked to a person have you ever done something that made you nervous yes so these are all skills that you can apply to new situations and so that's why I always come back to this point of it's so important to know who you are because that's your toolkit.

所以我认为重要的是记住像进入它，你知道我以前从未做过这项运动，或者我以前从未在课堂上举手，或者我，你知道，以前从未在午餐时坐在这个人旁边，是的，但你和一个人说过话吗，你曾经做过让你紧张的事情吗，是的，所以这些都是你可以应用于新情况的技能，所以这就是为什么我总是回到这个点，知道你是谁如此重要，因为那是你的工具箱。

Your toolkit is not the set of hard skills that you acquire over the course of your life although those are obviously very helpful and can you know continue to inform the conditions that make you who you are but to know what you come into a situation with because our strength is are the differences that we have and that's what makes any situation unique and interesting because everybody has a different perspective everybody has a different toolkit.

你的工具箱不是你在生命过程中获得的硬技能集，尽管那些显然非常有用，并且可以继续告知使你成为你的条件，而是知道你进入情况时带着什么，因为我们的力量是我们拥有的差异，那是使任何情况独特和有趣的东西，因为每个人都有不同的视角，每个人都有不同的工具箱。

So the better you know what you have the more you can actually provide value for any situation that you're in because you want to provide you want to make something better and only you can do it because only you have those skills so yeah I think that everybody has inherent value irrespective of kind of the this you know bedrock or the foundations from which they rose it's a good segue you know we've been talking about systems of support but also discovering this oneself one skills developing one's own toolkit and so forth but if if we can help design an ecosystem that is to support the next generation what might that ecosystem look like what are the elements of an ecosystem can be designed to help other people succeed.

所以你越知道你有什么，你就越能实际上为你所处的任何情况提供价值，因为你想要提供，你想要使某物更好，只有你能做它，因为只有你有那些技能，所以是的，我认为每个人都有内在价值，无论那种，你知道，他们从中升起的基石或基础，它是一个好的过渡，你知道我们一直在谈论支持系统，但也发现这个自己、一个人的技能、发展自己的工具箱等等，但如果我们能帮助设计一个支持下一代的生态系统，那个生态系统可能看起来什么样，一个生态系统的元素可以被设计来帮助其他人成功。

A few things I think one is mutual respect that's really really important for anything to succeed too and that extends beyond just like the right for someone to exist but it's also like genuinely giving space for someone's input and perspective and not holding a value system for whose voice is louder than someone else whose opinions are more important than someone else everybody has something unique to say and to provide.

几件事，我认为一是相互尊重，那对任何事情成功都真的真的重要，那超越只是像某人存在的权利，而且也是像真正给某人的输入和视角空间，不持有一种价值体系，关于谁的声音比某人更大、谁的意见比某人更重要，每个人都有独特的东西说和提供。

And so I think bringing that student mentality into every interaction you have and really trying to say okay what can I learn from this encounter I think that's really important. Secondly I think curiosity is really important so just always holding a microscope to to all the things in life and coming back to the point in AI like that's a great tool to have to enable curiosity and to really just you know superpower it and so I think that's super important.

所以我认为把那种学生心态带入你有的每一次互动，并真正试图说好的我能从这次相遇中学到什么，我认为那真的很重要。第二，我认为好奇心真的很重要，所以只是总是对生活中的所有事情持显微镜，回到AI的点像那是一个很好的工具来使好奇心成为可能，并真正只是，你知道，超级充电它，所以我认为那超级重要。

The third is probably resilience and you know no skill is objectively difficult because on two different days I can be equally stressed about going to dinner and doing a trick that I've never done before and it depends on probably how much sleep I got how resilient I feel it's more about how well prepared I feel I can deal with any diversity and so the higher our tolerance our threshold our resilience generally is I think but it's like having a higher tolerance for life I think is generally a good skill to have.

第三可能是韧性，你知道没有技能客观上困难，因为在两个不同的日子我可以同样对去吃晚餐和做一个我以前从未做过的技巧感到压力，它取决于可能我睡了多少，我感觉多有韧性，更多是关于我感觉准备得多好我能应对任何逆境，所以我们的一般容忍度、阈值、韧性越高，我认为，但像对生活有更高的容忍度，我认为通常是一个好技能。

And then of course community and community is more than just you know people who you like and who you feel you know care about you and who you care about but it's also what helps you craft legacy because more than anything your impact on the world is probably most profound on the people who are closest to you and and so that I think is really important and I think about legacy as like an inflection point so like you can map okay this is where this person happened and after that everything became easier or everything started moving faster or after that you know the the people who followed or the people around them were positively affected in some way and everybody else was then able to become a better version of themselves that is kind of like the general philosophy that I subscribe to so yeah I think those would be kind of like my my founding principles great.

然后当然社区，社区不仅仅是你喜欢的人和你觉得，你知道，关心你和你关心的人，而且也是帮助你打造遗产的东西，因为比任何东西都更是你对世界的影响可能对你最亲近的人最深刻，所以我认为那真的很重要，我认为遗产像一个拐点，所以像你可以映射，好的这是这个人发生的地方，在那之后一切变得更容易或一切开始移动更快或在那之后你知道跟随的人或他们周围的人以某种方式被积极影响，然后其他所有人都能成为更好的自己，那有点像我订阅的一般哲学，所以是的我认为那些会像我的创始原则，太好了。

Um you know this is the karim family foundation inspiring women leadership series and in many conversations that I've had um pertaining to women leadership one of the questions that's often asked is this and I will ask the question of you as well and that is um very often we have someone in our lives who advocate for us who open the doors for us who help us with our path sometimes we are fortunate enough to have more than that one person um we know your mother has been fantastic and done so much for you is there anyone else who's advocated for you that you think has made a difference for you and now that you're in a position perhaps to advocate for others um what do you think you might do with that.

嗯，你知道这是卡里姆家族基金会激励女性领导力系列，在我有过的很多关于女性领导的对话中，经常被问的一个问题是这个，我也会问你这个问题，那就是，很多时候我们在生活中有一个人为我们倡导，为我们开门，帮助我们走我们的路，有时我们幸运地有超过那一个人，我们知道你的母亲很棒并为你做了这么多，有其他人倡导过你，你认为对你产生了影响吗，现在你处于也许能倡导他人的位置，你认为你可能用那个做什么。

Okay definitely my mom I'm just gonna have to reiterate that um can never reiterate that enough I think I'll tell a little story and I think it's an it's a small anecdote but it really captures the spirit of something that I believe strongly in when I was seven or eight I started in a ski team I was the only girl on my team and it's important to note that I was also attending in all girls school at this time so from age four to 13 I was at an all girls institution so Monday to Friday I was only with girls and then on the weekends I was only with boys so it was like this alien environment I had no idea what was going on.

好的，绝对是我妈妈，我将不得不重申那个，嗯永远不能重申那个足够，我想我会讲一个小故事，我认为它是一个小轶事，但它真正捕捉了我强烈相信的某种东西的精神，当我七八岁时我开始在一个滑雪队，我是我队里唯一的女孩，重要的是注意我当时也在上一个全女子学校，所以从4岁到13岁我在一个全女子机构，所以周一到周五我只和女孩在一起，然后在周末我只和男孩在一起，所以像这个外星环境我不知道发生了什么。

I it was like I wanted to fit in was the most important thing I wanted to have friends and I wanted to build community that was like intuitively what I wanted to do what I didn't know how to do it it's like this alien species what's going on um and so my coach at the time he would set up these games in skiing and it would be little things you know who can slide this rail and if you slide the rail you get a pack of gummy bears or a sticker or a dollar and through the power of sport you start you know punching each other on the shoulder and you're like oh okay well I did it last week so you have to go first this time or um no watch me I got it like this is you know my time and then everyone would line up next to the rail and I remember so specifically the very first time that anybody on our ski team slid a rail we were we were all like lined up next to the rail and they were like okay the coach said okay who wants to go first you get a sticker and I remember in that moment I was like I will go first it will be me and everyone's like oh you know oh my gosh and so I hike up to the top of the rail everyone's holding their breath and I literally remember it like it was yesterday I go and I slide the rail it was good everyone's just ecstatic okay everyone's clapping they're cheering we're like a massive little huddle of just you know eight year old bodies wearing hoodies that are way too big for us you know past our knees and in that moment I was like wow this is what it feels like to to be included to belong because I am being uplifted by people who I care about and respect but who are also my peer group and we are improving together.

我像我想融入是最重要的事情，我想有朋友，我想建立社区，那像直觉上我想做的，我不知道如何做它，像这个外星物种发生了什么，嗯所以我当时的教练他会在滑雪中设置这些游戏，它会是小事情，你知道谁能滑这个栏杆，如果你滑栏杆你得到一包小熊软糖或一个贴纸或一美元，通过体育的力量你开始，你知道，互相打肩膀，你像哦好的我上周做了所以这次你必须先走，或者嗯不看我我搞定了像这是我的时间，然后每个人会在栏杆旁边排队，我如此具体地记得我们滑雪队任何人第一次滑栏杆，我们都像在栏杆旁边排队，他们像好的教练说好的谁想先走你得到一个贴纸，我记得在那个时刻我像我要先走，会是我，每个人都像哦你知道哦我的天，所以我徒步到栏杆顶部，每个人都屏住呼吸，我字面上记得它像昨天，我去我滑栏杆，它很好，每个人都只是狂喜，好的每个人在鼓掌他们在欢呼，我们像一个巨大的小团，只是你知道八岁的身体穿着对我们来说太大的连帽衫，你知道超过我们的膝盖，在那个时刻我像哇这就是被包容、归属的感觉，因为我被我关心和尊重的人提升，但他们也是我的同伴群体，我们一起改善。

Because by the end of the day everyone of course has slid the rail but what's important I think from that is that competition is about pushing each other to be better and it's about feeling empowered to try and so much of it is about not being afraid to be the first not being afraid to fail and being willing to celebrate when other people also achieve success so it's uplifting other people alongside you and using competition through you know through my example of sport but it could be any avenue in life to uplift yourself and to bring other people with you and to celebrate when people surpass you because it means that there's more opportunity and more excitement and more engagement and more opportunity for you to rise up even more so it's really important I think to take this idea of like sportsmanship with you.

因为到一天结束时每个人当然都滑了栏杆，但重要的是我认为从那个，竞争是关于推动彼此变得更好，它是关于感觉被赋权去尝试，其中很多是关于不怕成为第一个，不怕失败，并愿意在其他人也取得成就时庆祝，所以是提升你旁边的其他人，并使用竞争通过，你知道，通过我的体育例子，但它可以是生活中的任何途径，来提升你自己并带来其他人，并在人们超过你时庆祝，因为它意味着有更多机会和更多兴奋和更多参与和更多机会让你升得更高，所以我认为把这个像体育精神的想法带在身边真的很重要。

You know as you were speaking it struck me that it takes a particular kind of confidence if you will to want to be in a competition and to be better than someone else or to be better to be better than yourself and on this question of building confidence you've talked about how creating your own pond rather than competing in crowded ones is that there is a wisdom to that. I wonder if you'd elaborate on that and share your thoughts with the audience.

你知道当你说话时我想到，需要一种特别的信心，如果你愿意，想要在竞争中并比某人更好，或更好，比你自己更好，在这个建立信心的问题上，你谈过如何创造你自己的池塘而不是在拥挤的池塘中竞争，那是有智慧的。我想知道你能否详细说明并与观众分享你的想法。

Sure yeah I think to my point on like the anecdote you sometimes need someone to give you the platform or the confidence to try to say hey how about you or you know I'm giving you the opportunity to rise up so so that's one but I think as far as creating your own pond what I meant by that is I'm going to take kind of like a woman's angle here because given it's also where that's kind of one of our themes for the discussion today.

当然，是的，我认为对我关于轶事的点，你有时需要某人给你平台或信心去尝试说嘿你呢，或者你知道我给你机会升起来，所以那是一个，但我认为就创造你自己的池塘而言，我这么说是指我将在这里采取一种女性的角度，因为鉴于它也是我们今天讨论的主题之一。

I think that now is a really interesting time to be a young woman because we have more career opportunities more educational opportunities more family opportunities more support than any time in history and what that means is that there is more space for us in places that have historically felt maybe a little competitive and what I think that's interesting because you hear this phenomenon a lot of like there's one woman in the boardroom meeting or there's you know one woman on the ski team and what that breeds is this sense of like okay there's only space for one of us.

我认为现在是一个真正有趣的时代做一个年轻女性，因为我们有比历史上任何时候都更多的职业机会、更多教育机会、更多家庭机会、更多支持，那意味着在历史上可能感觉有点竞争的地方有更多空间给我们，我认为那有趣，因为你经常听到这种现象，像董事会会议里有一个女性，或者你知道滑雪队里有一个女性，那滋生的是这种感觉，好的只有我们一个人的空间。

And so by default my competition is all women ever but I want to reverse that and and think about there's actually more seats in the room than one and so the competition is very rarely other people the competition is just yourself to be good enough to earn and to provide value and to earn that seat to be good enough to be there but it's not about beating other people it's about uplifting the entire community so that every single person ends up being better in the way that a rising tide raises all ships.

所以默认我的竞争是所有女性，但我想反转那个并思考实际上房间里的座位不止一个，所以竞争很少是其他人，竞争只是你自己足够好去赚取和提供价值并赚取那个座位足够好在那里，但不是关于打败其他人，它是关于提升整个社区，这样每个人都最终变得更好，以水涨船高的方式。

And so I want to think about kind of healthy competition and in many ways no competition at all because there's only one of you and only one person has the perspective and history and skill set that I mentioned earlier and that's you and every single person has unique value and so the question is how can you be the best version of yourself so that you can provide the most value and help the most people and tell the most interesting and relevant stories to to inflect that legacy point.

所以我想思考健康的竞争，在很多方面根本没有竞争，因为只有一个你，只有一个人有我之前提到的视角、历史和技能集，那就是你，每个人都有独特的价值，所以问题是你如何能成为最好的自己，这样你可以提供最多价值并帮助最多人并讲述最有趣和最相关的故事来弯折那个遗产点。

And so in a lot of ways the whole pond metaphor of like am I a big fish in a small pond or a small fish in a big pond stop looking at the other fish it doesn't matter are there other fish or not like the fish even exist right like we don't care be your own fish and you can be a pretty fish you can be a shiny fish you can be a little fish you can be a vegetarian fish you can be whatever kind of fish you want to be right so I think that's a much more interesting and productive conversation than looking around and seeing what other fish are in the pond with you.

所以在很多方面整个池塘比喻，像我是小池塘里的大鱼还是大池塘里的小鱼，停止看其他鱼，它不重要，有其他鱼或没有，像鱼甚至存在，对吧，像我们不在乎，做你自己的鱼，你可以是一条漂亮的鱼，你可以是一条闪亮的鱼，你可以是一条小鱼，你可以是一条素食鱼，你可以是任何你想要的鱼，对吧，所以我认为那是一个比环顾四周看你池塘里有什么其他鱼更有趣和富有成效的对话。

You know there are just so many questions that I could ask but I am mindful of the time so I'm going to give this last question to one of our students and this is Hui Sin Sito who is the class of 2027 BBM and she says if you could ask yourself sorry if you could ask one question to your future yourself what question would it be? Only one. What inputs or what things did you observe that you felt were the most productive in finding the path that you cared about most so I think a lot of the time it's easy to follow direction or momentum actually working working hard is hard but working hard is not as hard as finding the right direction.

你知道我可以问的问题太多了，但我注意时间，所以我要把最后一个问题给我们一个学生，这是Hui Sin Sito，她是2027届BBM，她说如果你能问你自己，抱歉，如果你能问一个问题给你未来的自己，会是什么问题？只有一个。什么输入或你观察到的什么东西你觉得在找到你最关心的路径方面最有成效，所以我认为很多时候容易跟随方向或势头，实际上努力工作努力工作很难，但努力工作不像找到正确方向那么难。

So you can like work really hard and bang on a wall and that does very little whereas learning what the route is so you can walk around the wall is much more productive so I want to learn the direction and then work hard in that direction so I already trust in my ability to work intensely and rigorously and so I think what's probably more productive for me is knowing what to observe and what inputs to give value to so that I can move in the right direction.

所以你可以像非常努力工作并撞墙，那做得很少，而学习路线是什么，这样你可以绕过墙，更有成效，所以我想学习方向然后在那方向上努力工作，所以我已经信任我密集和严格工作的能力，所以我认为对我可能更有成效的是知道什么观察和什么输入给价值，这样我可以朝正确方向移动。

That's wonderful um ladies and gentlemen we have covered so much ground in a short time you know testimony to Eileen's intellect as well as her experience in life despite being 23 years old we've covered you know everything from how we can train oneself both physically as well as intellectually training the mind and the body we've talked about how AI actually can be a positive rather than something to fear we've talked about the importance of mutual respect of curiosity of resilience of community and the sense of inclusion and belonging in our journeys in life and we've talked about how competition is not necessarily that ugly thing where we're out at each other's throats but that it is about feeling empowered to try it is about pushing each other to be better so that as a community we are better and it is perhaps uplifting for the entire community where a rising tide as to use Eileen's words can raise all boats and the one thing I've learned there is such a thing as a vegetarian fish.

太好了，嗯女士们先生们我们在短时间内覆盖了这么多，你知道证明Eileen的才智以及她在生活中的经验，尽管只有23岁，我们覆盖了你知道一切，从我们如何能训练自己身体和智力上训练心智和身体，我们谈过AI实际上如何可以是积极的而不是害怕的东西，我们谈过相互尊重、好奇心、韧性、社区和在我们人生旅程中的包容和归属感的重要性，我们谈过竞争不一定是那种丑陋的东西，我们互相掐喉咙，而是关于感觉被赋权去尝试，是关于推动彼此变得更好，这样作为一个社区我们更好，也许提升整个社区，水涨船高，用Eileen的话可以提升所有船，而我学到的一件事是有素食鱼这样的东西。

Algae right? Yes you're right actually a maybe all fish are vegetative I don't know okay they're not all vegetarian. Wonderful I would like to invite the audience in this hall there has been a tremendously attentive audience to join me in thanking Eileen in this wonderful conversation.

藻类对吧？是的你说得对实际上也许所有鱼都是素食的我不知道好的他们不全是素食的。太好了，我想邀请这个大厅里的观众，一直是一个非常专注的观众，和我一起感谢Eileen在这次美妙的对话中。

You've got a little fan there but the little girl stand up again and wave Eileen's gonna wave at you. Hi Kirivai! Wonderful thank you once again for spending the time with us we are very grateful for the time that you've given to us and the you know many thoughts that you shared very candidly with us I'm gonna hand back to Jasmine who will lead us through the next segment. Thank you so much Eileen and Professor Concrete please give them another round of applause. 

你有一个小粉丝在那里，但那个小女孩再站起来挥手，Eileen会向你挥手。你好Kirivai！太好了，再次感谢你与我们共度时光，我们非常感谢你给我们的时间和你，你知道，非常坦率地与我们分享的许多想法，我将交回给Jasmine，她将带领我们进入下一部分。非常感谢Eileen和孔教授，请给他们另一轮掌声。谢谢大家，非常感谢。